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Are your HOCL-45 and HOCL-90/45H angle clips DSA compliant?

Are your HOCL-45 and HOCL-90/45H angle clips DSA compliant?

Question: Are your HOCL-45 and HOCL-90/45H angle clips DSA compliant?

Answer: YES.

Please see the HOCL-45 & HOCL-9045H Submittal Sheet.

The submittal sheet includes both cut sheets showing overall dimensions and a representative image of the clips. As well as excerpts from California DSA IR 25-2.13 REV. 11-09-17, specifically pages 34 & 37.

Part #: HOCL-45

If you look at the second figure on “Sheet No. 4.10” titled “Bracing Wire”, it shows the 45-degree angle clip requirements for bracing wire.
½” TYP from edge to center of the hole where the ceiling wire is tied (HOCL-45 meets this spec).
½” MAX. U.O.N. from edge to center of the hole for the 3/8″ expansion anchor (HOCL-45 meets this spec).

Here are images of the measurements mentioned above as well as a mic. on the 12 gauge thickness:

Part #: HOCL-90/45H

If you look at the first figure on Sheet No. 4.21 titled “Option 1″, it shows a 12 GA X 1″ wide angle clip with a hole for a 3/8″ dia. expansion anchor (HOCL-90/45H meets this spec). It also shows ½” MAX. from edge to center of the hole for a 3/8″ expansion anchor (HOCL-90/45H meets this spec).

You may ask, is DSA compliance acceptable if there is no ICC-ES report?

The specifications called out in DSA IR-25-2.13 are met or exceeded by our clips as is evident in the measurement images posted above.

According to DSA IR A-5 “Acceptance of Product Materials, and Evaluation Reports”, Section 1.1 states “Products, including alternate materials, must have a valid evaluation listing/report issued by a recognized evaluation agency.”

Section 3. VALID LISTINGS…

Section 3.1 “The product or material must comply with CBC. Evaluation reports may not be acceptable if the product does not comply with applicable DSA amendments contained in CBC and/or applicable DSA IRs, or Bulletins.”

Section 3.3 Goes on to list the acceptable evaluation reports in order (ICC ES, IAPMO ES, OSHPD, COLA, NOA). If none of those are available for the product, the last bullet states:

* Other product certification bodies that are certified to be in compliance with ISO/IEC 17065:2012, “Requirements for Bodies Certifying Products, Processing and Services” (for projects submitted under the 2016 and 2013 CBC) and ISO Guide 65, “General Requirements for Bodies Operating Product Certification Systems” (for projects submitted under the 2010 and 2007 CBC).

In essence, in the absence of a third party evaluate report, as long as a product complies with the requirements of CBC, DSA IRS and bulletins, and can be traced with a marking, any certification body that is in compliance with the standards mentioned above may certify compliance.

Furthermore, To the best of our knowledge, no manufacturer has a current ICC-ES report on similar angle clips.

Hilti’s X-CC 45 does not have an ICC per their report here: https://www.hilti.com/medias/sys_master/documents/h35/hc8/9400251285534/Technical-information-ASSET-DOC-LOC-1577839.pdf

The report listed on their product page for the X-CC 45 is only for:

“Ceiling fastening system Applicable base material Fastener types Recommended installation tools Wire type Section X-CX C Concrete, lightweight concrete over metal deck X-C27 DX 351-CT with Pole Tool Pre-tied to ceiling clip or provided by others 3.3.2 X-CX ALH Concrete, lightweight concrete over metal deck, steel X-ALH 22, X-ALH 27, X-ALH 32 DX 351-CT with Pole Tool Pre-tied to ceiling clip or provided by others 3.3.2 Eye-lag screw Wood, sheet steel EL WS, EL S, EL SD Telescopic Screw Ceiling Tool Provided by others 3.3.3”

Tomarco, Powers/DeWALT do not have an ICC-ES report on similar angle clips either.

Submittal requests are now available on every Doc’s product page!

We’re excited to announce a new feature on our Doc’s Industries website. On every product page, just below the blue “Where to buy” button, there is now an orange “Submittal Request” button. This button allows you to quickly and easily request a submittal sheet on the product you are viewing. We hope that this new option will help you and your customers navigate the submittal process with minimal effort.

Your ICC-ES report lists two different holding values, ASD and LRFD. What do these two acronyms stand for?

Question:

Your ICC-ES report lists two different holding values, ASD and LRFD. What do these two acronyms stand for?

Answer:

Our ICC-ES report ESR 3135 refers to two methods of calculating the strength of a fastener in steel. ASD (Allowable Strength Design) and LRFD (Load & Resistance Factor Design). Both ASD and LRFD are structural design terms and are used by structural engineers to determine allowable loads under different structural design criteria.

Are the HOCL-1 and HOCL-45 angle clips ICC listed like other brands?

Question:

Are the HOCL-1 and HOCL-45 angle clips ICC listed like other brands?

Answer:

California Division of the State Architect (DSA) compliance has been found to be sufficient for stand-alone angle clips. Both the HOCL-1 and the HOCL-45 comply with California DSA. See page 22 of DSA IR 25-2.13 – Appendix A below.

Appendix A

Please note ½” max from center to edge, and ½” TYP (typical) from bottom edge to wire tying hole for #12 gauge wire.

We have not been able to find a stand-alone angle clip that is ICC listed. As far as we can tell, the ICC listings that have been published by other brands apply to their pin and clip assemblies, not to the angle clip by itself.

For example, Ramset part #: 1202CF is not shown anywhere on their ICC report located here: https://www.icc-es.org/wp-content/uploads/report-directory/ESR-1799.pdf

It only lists the “SP” & “SPC” part numbers for the assemblies as is shown in the image below.

The same applies for DeWALT/Powers and Hilti:

DEWALT/POWERS ICC REPORT:

https://www.icc-es.org/wp-content/uploads/report-directory/ESR-2024.pdf

HILTI TECHNICAL DATA GUIDE:

https://www.hilti.com/medias/sys_master/documents/h40/9176426217502/Technical-information-ASSET-DOC-LOC-1577741.pdf

Are your HPH plastic composite J Hooks are certified safe for air handling (plenum) spaces?

We are sometimes asked if our HPH plastic composite J Hooks are certified safe for air handling (plenum) spaces.

The simple answer is YES.

HPH J Hooks have been tested and found to be in compliance with all UL criteria for support of conduit, tubing and cable (UL 2239). This includes compliance with UL 2043. UL 2043 is the standard for fire testing, which includes heat and visible smoke release of products installed in air handling spaces. Our certificate of compliance from UL is attached. The report includes the following paragraph: